A look at revelation1412.org’s Sabbath day presentations – Video 3

Historical Evidence

2:36

Yes. They keep a separate Calendar, which has been changed according to them

4:05

No argument that the order of the days was not adjusted. However the question should be raised why we are looking at the history of the Calendar using Mans methods. If the information in the Bible is correct and this is based upon a different Calendar which uses the Moon as its monthly cycles, why do we need to look through the history of the Calendar.

Is not our Lord a God of perfection. If he is, then I should be able to go out and find God’s time at any point in time. Whether I was born in the year 200 AD or 1300 AD or today. The assumption this video presents is that anyone is able to tell by looking at a man made timeline, when the Sabbath is. This is not what God provided us with his monthly cycles for. They were so we can work out his Sabbath days, his feast days etc, no matter when we were born, and no matter where in the world we live.

4:31

You are forgetting that before the Julian Calendar, there was the Roman Calendar. Rome changed the times and laws.

Daniel 7:25

He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,

Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,

And shall intend to change times and law.

10:08

You can’t really trust what you are seeing unless you check it out for yourself. – Good point. My view is that you should not reply on anything but the Bible. It is interesting that you have found texts pointing in both directions.

in 1 Corinthians 14:33 it says: For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

The words you are reading were designed to confuse. To point you in two directions such that you know not what is the truth. You need to use the Bible as your guide and then you will know what the truth is and what is a lie.

13:39

If you view the Sabbaths as I do from the Bible, you then can see how the Jews adopted the 7 day cycle from the Pagans, and therefore changed their cycle from being based upon the moon with na new moon day to being based solely upon a seven day cycle alone.

14:37

The origin of the Sabbath is obscure. – If this is the case, how can you use a historical method to determine the Sabbath days? Better to use the method God provides is with in the Bible.

16:34

It is a good question how we can trust the what is written by the Jews regarding the Sabbaths and how it was changed over history. One should point out at the same time however, if you are going to reject the information provided here on how the Sabbath was originally constructed, one should also reject the premise that Saturday is definitely the Sabbath day as they are both subject to the exact same issues of truth. The Bible needs to be used to work this out.

It is not that it is blatantly lying. Rather that your foundation upon which you are basing your Sabbaths upon have not been solidified. For the Jewish people are presenting two days, which would be expected if you believe Satan works in this world. A Lunar method (The calendar provided in the Bible) and a Gregorian calendar method (A man made calendar).

19:02

You should point out the word “seems”. I notice you skip it twice. Here you are not following your own rules and as such you cannot rely on this information.

22:52

Beleiving that the Jews never faulted is wrong.

Lamentations 2:5

5 The Lord was like an enemy.

He has swallowed up Israel,
He has swallowed up all her palaces;
He has destroyed her strongholds,
And has increased mourning and lamentation
In the daughter of Judah.

6 He has done violence to His tabernacle,
As if it were a garden;
He has destroyed His place of assembly;
The Lord has caused
The appointed feasts and Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion.
In His burning indignation He has spurned the king and the priest.

It is clear from this verse that Gods people were not always following what he asked. It should be noted that The Lord has caused The appointed feasts and Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion.

23:07

Wow. This just highlights the problems between the Lunar Solar Calendar provided in the Bible and the Man made Gregorian Calendar.

24:01

This might explain why the Calendar used by the Jews today says the year about to become 5775 (http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/month.htm) which differs from the Calendar provided here (http://torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y2063M12) which says we are about to start the year 6000.

26:58 See above.

28:12 Yes. This just highlights how we cannot put any faith in what the Jews hold as their day of Sabbath today. We need to go back to the Bible to work this out.

28:35 – Just a note. You are using the website “Crystalinks.com” which states it is a metaphysics and Science Website in its title. I cannot see how we can place any faith in this site at all. Let’s get back to scripture and make our decisions from there.

31:12 – I feel I am wasting my time looking at Calendars which were not provided in the Bible.

36:59 Are alarm bells ringing? Saturns day – Saturday. A name based upon a planet. Are we worshipping on day guided by a planetary name? That sounds a lot like idol worshipping to me.

37:45 – Can one seriously believe that man did not change the Sabbath day? Here we are using a man made calendar and we are studying it intently, but we are ignoring what the Bible says and how it presents the month and the weeks.

39:31 – Sounds to me like God had seen enough of worship on the wrong day and he was bringing and end to it.

40:59 – This sounds similar to what is written in Lamentations 2:5. I know they may not be the same events, but it shows what God did when they did not follow his way.

41:20 So they dedicated the day of Saturn. Again. Doesn’t this ring alarm bells? The article itself is all about how the Jews do not hold any idols, and in the next breath they say that they hold the day of Saturn (an idol no matter how you view it) as the Lords day, a day which is not written anywhere in Scripture and for good reason as the Lord did not want us to follow a Planetary day to worship him upon. Rather the seventh day of the week based upon the Lunar cycle of New moon day, and then 7 days x 4 weeks.

44:21

You need to remember, if your original assumption is wrong, everything else which follows will be wrong as well. Here you are assuming that the timeline had an unbroken seven day sabbath cycle, which is being reinforced in your mind by the errors which follow throughout history.

If the Bible says that there was New Moon Day and Sabbaths, and that these will continue if the New Heaven and Earth (Gods Calendar), then how can one put any faith in the Gregorian Calendar (Man made Calendar) which we are using today?

God is a perfect God. Man is an imperfect being due to sin. Which Calendar do you think it would be best to follow? Whether you like it or not, by basing your Sabbaths upon Saturns Day, you are using the Gregorian Calendar, a mans made Calendar which reeks of error.

45:24

You cannot prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the Biblical Sabbath is the same as Saturns Day. In fact by using the Calendar provided by God, Saturns day is disproved as being the regular day to hold God’s Sabbaths upon.

47:32

What would one expect to find if the Bible says that many will be deceived? Go back to the Bible and get your information from there.

You simply have a list of men saying that the Sabbath day was the same day as the day of Saturn. These same men are saying that there is no New Moon day as well. But the Bible clearly states this exists. You decide who you want to follow/ The Bible or Man. God or Satan.

51:15 Are you seriously going to sit here and talk about the Bible and God in one breath, and then talk about the planets and how the Sabbath just so happened to fall on the same day as Saturns day in the other breath? Don’t you see that you are talking here about two different things? One is Biblical. The other is not.

51:47 There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence of this. The Bible does not show a weekly seven day cycle between months. Please show me exactly where this is shown and I will show you the exact opposite.

52:18 Please show me the text which shows this continual weekly cycle.

58:10 Various reasons? Seriously. Are you saying that God said that they could delay of Tishri 1? When to? A day which falls outside the New Moon which was provided by God to start the new months? Seriously? I cannot believe Alarm bells are not going off in your head when you view this stuff. It has NO scriptural evidence to support it. Where in the Bible does it talk about weekdays we use in the Gregorian Calendar? It is one false assumption based upon another based upon another. Go back the the Bible and take your days from there, then you will know the truth.

58:38 Please show me anywhere in Leviticus 23 that the feasts could fall on any day of the week. The weekly cycle provided on Gods Calendar ensured the day always fell on the exact same day of the week.

59:55 Invented much later?? Please explain then why they followed it with Moses and also during the time Jesus was with us on this earth?

So I stopped commenting from here. This video needs to go back the the scripture and base its decision there. Now I understand that the views of the presenter are that the Sabbath floats. My view is that it does not float. For it it floated, how can the author of this video guarantee that the Sabbath is being held upon the correct day?

The only way to do this over time is to use the Biblical calendar, which is based upon the New Moon and the Weekly cycle starting after the New moon day, the second day of the month.

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