The following items are my belief. They do not need to be yours. Study the topic yourself and come to your own conclusion.
The videos I am talking about here can be found in this location: http://revelation1412.org/literature/lunar-sabbaths/lunar-sabbaths-video-series-lynnford/
8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th days of the months.
And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt.
- Suggestion is that is unlikely to be a Sabbath day as they had to do a great deal of work to set up. Again. This is an assumption that they spent the entire day setting up. It is very unlikely that they did this as it was the Sabbath. So either way, you are not provided with this information so you cannot assume.
- If it was not the Sabbath day, why then did naan then fall for 6 days with a double helping on the sixth day.
4 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. 5 And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”
22 And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’” 24 So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. 25 Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
27 Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29 See! For theLord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
The Sabbath day mentioned in Exodus 16:23, 25, 26 and 29 is a Shabbath day. You will also find the word Shabbathown used in the same section in Exodus 16:23. In particular:
“This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest
The words “Sabbath Rest” is translated as Shabbathown. As you point out. You cannot possibly have the Shabbath and Shabbathown on the same day. But here it occurs. They have to be the same item.
11 Now it came to pass on the twentieth day of the second month, in the second year, that the cloud was taken up from above the tabernacle of the Testimony. 12 And the children of Israel set out from the Wilderness of Sinai on their journeys; then the cloud settled down in the Wilderness of Paran.
33 So they departed from the mountain of the Lord on a journey of three days; and the ark of the covenant of the Lord went before them for the three days’ journey, to search out a resting place for them.
There is nothing wrong here. The verse says it was a journey of three days. Yes. That ends up on a Sabbath day if you count it from the 20th day.
This video proposes that the Sabbath and Shabbathown days are mutually exclusive. Why then are the same two word found in the following verses talking about the same day?
If they were mutually exclusive, the Bible would talk about them seperatley. The answer is simple. Some Sabbaths were Shabbathown days, where the rules were different. A Shabbathown day is a type of Shabbath day.
2 So it was, after three days, that the officers went through the camp; 3 and they commanded the people, saying, “When you see the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, and the priests, the Levites, bearing it, then you shall set out from your place and go after it.
What does it mean by saying after three days and is it related to the 10th day in Joshua 4:19?
They arrived at the Jordan River on the 5th day of the week. Three days takes them through to the Sabbath – The 8th day. After these three days (which places you on day nine) the officers go through the camp telling everyone to prepare. They then left on the tenth morning and arrive the afternoon of the tenth day.
No. The first day of the month is not a week day. Neither is the last day of the month.
7 Weeks x 7 Days.
- This was done the day after the Sabbath
- Leviticus 23:11 – He shall wave the sheaf before theLord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.
- Sabbath was the 8th day if the week. This occurs on the 9th day.
3 They departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with boldness in the sight of all the Egyptians.
- Yes. They left that evening.
10 Now the children of Israel camped in Gilgal, and kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight on the plains of Jericho. 11 And they ate of the produce of the land on the day after the Passover, unleavened bread and parched grain, on the very same day.
- You indicate that they must have eaten before they gave the offering to the priest?
- I can see why you may think this. It does not say however that they did not bring the wave sheaf to the priest on the Sabbath to be offered the day after, which is what the Bible says should happen as it goes Passover, Sabbath, Wave Sheaf.
- You then say that the Wave sheaf was offered on the 15th day of the month, however there is an obvious problem with this as well, and in fact it seems much bigger than the one you propose.
Leviticus 23:5 says
In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover.
Leviticus 23:10-11 says
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.
and then in Leviticus 23:15 it says
15 ‘And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed.
If the Wave Sheaf was offered on the 15th as you say and as you point out the 14th is the Passover, when did the Sabbath occur as it is to occur between the Passover and the Wave Sheaf.
There can be only one answer.
16th Wave Sheaf
I have checked the text of Joshua 5. It does not say that the wave sheaf was offered on the 15th day of the month. It does not mention the Wave Sheaf. To get this information you need to look at Leviticus to see what would have happened.
12 Then the manna ceased on the day after they had eaten the produce of the land; and the children of Israel no longer had manna, but they ate the food of the land of Canaan that year.
Yes. I agree that the Manna stopped on the 16th day.
No where does it say that Manna fell on the 15th day of the month. Please show me where it says in the verse above that the Manna fell on the 15th day. It simply tells you when the Manna stopped falling. Scripture indicate that Manna never fell on the 15th day of the month.
1 Samuel 20:5
And David said to Jonathan, “Indeed tomorrow is the New Moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king to eat. But let me go, that I may hide in the field until the third day at evening.
1 Samuel 20:18-19
18 Then Jonathan said to David, “Tomorrow is the New Moon; and you will be missed, because your seat will be empty. 19 And when you have stayed three days, go down quickly and come to the place where you hid on the day of the deed; and remain by the stone Ezel.
1 Samuel 20:24
24 Then David hid in the field. And when the New Moon had come, the king sat down to eat the feast. 25 Now the king sat on his seat, as at other times, on a seat by the wall. And Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul’s side, but David’s place was empty. 26 Nevertheless Saul did not say anything that day, for he thought, “Something has happened to him; he is unclean, surely he is unclean.”
27 And it happened the next day, the second day of the month, that David’s place was empty. And Saul said to Jonathan his son, “Why has the son of Jesse not come to eat, either yesterday or today?”
35 And so it was, in the morning, that Jonathan went out into the field at the time appointed with David, and a little lad was with him.
It is quite simple
Day 1 – New Moon – Saul easts with David and says nothing
Day 2 – Saul asks where David is.
Day 3 – David returns and Jonathan
You assume incorrectly that the 3rd day of the month and the 3rd day of the new moon are two different things. They are not. In verse 27 it talks about the New Moon so you need to count from the New Moon. The New Moon is the beginning of the Month. The word used for month here is chodesh (Strongs:H2320) which means:
- the new moon, month, monthly
- the first day of the month
- the lunar month
Mow’ed (Strongs:H4150) from verse 35 is correct as well.
- Appointed place, appointed time, meeting
- appointed time
- appointed time (general)
- sacred season, set feast, appointed season
- appointed meeting
- appointed place
- appointed sign or signal
- tent of meeting
- appointed time
Two or three days at the end of each month?
No. There can never be. The cycle is 29.5 day approximately. New moon then 4 weeks, then sometimes a single day. This equals 1+ 28 + ~1 = 29 – 30 days. If it were 2 to 3 days it would not follow the lunar cycle.
Exactly right. The New Moon days SHOULD be counted as a day of the month. However they are not days of the week. Don’t confuse them. When the Bible talks about the month it tells you. When it talks about the week it tells you this also.
There is nothing in Samuel 21 which indicates the exact time which David travelled over. It simply says “about three days since I came out” . Three? Four?. It would appear that David is not being forthcoming to the Priest. You cannot be certain as to the exact time he took to get there and you cannot be certain it was or was not a Sabbath.
I don’t see how you can use this section as proof of anything (You even suggest that they sometimes ate the shewbread on the next day depending upon the circumstances.) It is simply not clear from this text.
Regarding John Gills Exposition. If you believe this, the Sabbath day is on the ninth day of every month. I can’t see how this fits what the Bible teaches. In fact if the Sabbath were on the Ninth day of every month, what happens to the Sabbath on the months where there are only 29 days? You have a week with no Sabbath as the months in the Bible are based upon the Cycle of the Moon -> Either 29 or 30 days.
The Feast of Tabernacles.
33 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernaclesfor seven days to the Lord. 35 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it. 36 For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation, and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it.
16,17,18,19,20,21 (7 days total – ends on 21st day) 22nd (Sabbath – 8th day – Holy convocation)
2 Now the Jews’ Feast of Tabernacles was at hand.
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying,“If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
2 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them.
The 22nd day – The Sabbath.
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” 59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth.
6 When He had said these things, He spat on the ground and made clay with the saliva; and He anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay. 7 And He said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which is translated, Sent). So he went and washed, and came back seeing.
14 Now it was a Sabbath when Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes.
The last day of the feast of Tabernacles is not the 22nd day. It is the 21st day. Count to 7 from the 15th day. 15 (1), 16 (2), 17 (3), 18 (4), 19 (5), 20 (6), 21 (7). The 21st day is the last day if the Feast of Tabernacles. Not the 22nd day. The 22nd day is the Sabbath which matches exactly with what we find elsewhere in the Bible. Even the current Jewish Calendar (which has its own set of issues) doesn’t agree with you on this.
Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away
Here the Bible is also showing that High days also occurred on the Sabbath, which also fits everything we have learnt thus far. The preparation day was the day before the Sabbath.
6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.
7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.
End of days of Unleavend Bread was the end of the 21st day. Not the 22nd day.
According to Leviticus 23, Passover occurs on the 14th day. The feast of Unleavend bread starts on the 15th day, a Sabbath and goes for a total of seven days which ends the feast on the 21st day.
6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.
22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th, 26th (5 days they arrived. They then stayed 7 days)
26th, 27th, 28th, 29th (Sabbath) 30th (Translation day) 1st (New moon day), 2nd (7 Days) – Which is the first day of the week.
It is what the Bible says. We know that the Jews thought you should perform miracles on the Sabbath as well, but Jesus did. They obviously travelled on the Sabbath. How far did they travel? Probably not to far as they weren’t to travel long distances on the Sabbath.
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast.
43 When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother did not know it;
There is nothing here which says how far they travelled on the sabbath.
You are again assuming these days are just Shabbaton days. I have already proven they are a type of Sabbath day. (A Sabbath of Rest – Rest is the word translated into Shabbaton) They are inclusive, not exclusive.
Feast of Unleavened bread
5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.
Yes. The Feast of Unleavened bread goes from the Sabbath on the 15th day though the end of the 21st day. Then there is another Sabbath on the 22nd day.
So if the Sabbath day was on the 15th the next Sabbath day had to be on the 22nd, and the one after that the 29th, and the first on the eighth.
Your argument, that they could not eat unleavened bread on the Sabbath of the 22nd is unjustified.
Let me use the year 2005 as my example using your Gregorian Calendar. Passover occurred on Friday the 22nd of April. The Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened bread was on Saturday the 23rd, The Feast ended on Friday the 29th. And then your Sabbath day was on the 30th. I think if you are going to say that this could not be a possibility, you should check your own calendar system first to ensure it never occurs there.
Since this video denies that the Sabbath could have possibly been on the 22nd, please explain which days they were on during Exodus 12.
3 “And you shall say to them, ‘This is the offering made by fire which you shall offer to the Lord: two male lambs in their first year without blemish, day by day, as a regular burnt offering.
9 ‘And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephahof fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— 10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.
11 ‘At the beginnings of your months you shall present a burnt offering to the Lord: two young bulls, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year, without blemish; ….. 15 Also one kid of the goats as a sin offering to the Lord shall be offered, besides the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.
Have you noticed that regular Sabbath offerings never overlap the monthly offering given on New Moon Day but the do overlap the monthly offering?
If you were correct that your Gregorian calendar was right how can you then explain how Saturday the 2nd of July 2011. Is a New Moon Day and also falls on a Saturday (the day you hold as the Sabbath). I do not see the verse saying anything about what happens when the Daily offering, Sabbath offering and New Moon offering overlap. Only when the Daily and the Sabbath offering overlap and the Monthly and the Daily offering overlap.
29 ‘And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work. For you it is a day of blowing the trumpets. 2 You shall offer a burnt offering as a sweet aroma to the Lord: one young bull, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year, without blemish. 3 Their grain offering shall be fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah for the bull, two-tenths for the ram, 4 and one-tenth for each of the seven lambs; 5 also one kid of the goats as a sin offering, to make atonement for you;6 besides the burnt offering with its grain offering for the New Moon, the regular burnt offering with its grain offering, and their drink offerings, according to their ordinance, as a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the Lord.
Yes. I agree. They had to make three types of sacrifices. Daily, New Moon and the “Trumpets” Sacrifice.
17 And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. 18 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work. 19 And you shall present an offering made by fire as a burnt offering to the Lord: two young bulls, one ram, and seven lambs in their first year. Be sure they are without blemish. 20 Their grain offering shall be of fine flour mixed with oil: three-tenths of an ephah you shall offer for a bull, and two-tenths for a ram; 21 you shall offer one-tenth of an ephah for each of the seven lambs; 22 also one goat as a sin offering, to make atonement for you.23 You shall offer these besides the burnt offering of the morning, which is for a regular burnt offering.
Yes. Here we have the Sabbath of Unleavened bread. Yes it has its own offering for the feast of unleavened bread. Yes it has the daily offering as well. Yes it does not have a normal Sabbath offering.
You are again assuming that this would be wrong if it were a Sabbath day. I invite you to take a look again at your Gregorian Calendar and go Back to the 22nd of April 2005. At this point in time the Gregorian Calendar Sabbaths, also line up with the Lunar solar Calendar Sabbaths. If you were correct, this could not possibly happen as it causes the very thing you are saying should not occur.
And even if you agree that the Gregorian Calendar did not exist then, but you still believe that the seven day cycled continuously, you still end up with the same problem I have shown you above. There will be a sabbath were this will occur.
Feast of Weeks
26 Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the Lord, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:
27 But ye shall offer the burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the Lord; two young bullocks, one ram, seven lambs of the first year;
28 And their meat offering of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals unto one bullock, two tenth deals unto one ram,
29 A several tenth deal unto one lamb, throughout the seven lambs;
30 And one kid of the goats, to make an atonement for you.
31 Ye shall offer them beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, (they shall be unto you without blemish) and their drink offerings.
Here it is proposed that because the day does not have the usual Sabbath rituals, that the day it is held upon cannot be a Sabbath. Again. You have a problem when you go the the Feast of Weeks Festival held on May 29-30 2020. It starts on Saturday. My point is if it can happen on this date, it can happen when these events were occurring in the days of Moses and Aaron if they were using a 7 day cycle as you propose.
Day of attonement
7 And ye shall have on the tenth day of this seventh month an holy convocation; and ye shall afflict your souls: ye shall not do any work therein:
8 But ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the Lord for a sweet savour; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year; they shall be unto you without blemish:
9 And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals to a bullock, and two tenth deals to one ram,
10 A several tenth deal for one lamb, throughout the seven lambs:
11 One kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the sin offering of atonement, and the continual burnt offering, and the meat offering of it, and their drink offerings.
Yes. The Daily Sacrifice and the Day of Atonement sacrifice occurred on this day. Again. It would be good if you checked that your calendar system did not do this. October 4th 2014 is a Saturday and is also the Day of atonement. This simply is not possible if we follow the way you propose, that the Sabbath day (of the Gregorian Calendar) can not be on the Day of atonement.
12 And on the fifteenth day of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days:
13 And ye shall offer a burnt offering, a sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord; thirteen young bullocks, two rams, and fourteen lambs of the first year; they shall be without blemish:
14 And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil, three tenth deals unto every bullock of the thirteen bullocks, two tenth deals to each ram of the two rams,
15 And a several tenth deal to each lamb of the fourteen lambs:
16 And one kid of the goats for a sin offering; beside the continual burnt offering, his meat offering, and his drink offering.
If we follow your premise again, on the 19th of October 2013 is the First day of the Feast of Tabernacles. In this case it is also a Saturday. If it can happen in this timeline, and you assert that the 7 day cycle was never broken, then it can happen with Moses and Aaron.
2 ‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation.
17 ‘On the second day present twelve young bulls (16th)
20 ‘On the third day present eleven bulls (17th)
23 ‘On the fourth day present ten bulls (18th)
26 ‘On the fifth day present nine bulls (19th)
29 ‘On the sixth day present eight bulls (20th)
32 ‘On the seventh day present seven bulls (21st)
35 ‘On the eighth day you shall have a sacred assembly (22nd day)
Again, if you are correct that the 22nd day is not a Sabbath, please explain how October the 26th 2013 (a Saturday using your Calendar) is a Sabbath and is the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles as you state that this is not possible. If it is possible, then why would you utilise a) the gregorian based Calendar and b) a repeating seven day cycle.
The way you propose, you cannot have these Sabbath Sacrifices unless it is a Sabbath, even though the Bible states that these Sabbath sacrifices were not to be given on these days. It sounds to me like you are adding your own words to the Bible, where it clearly does not say this.
The Mark of the Beast will be given to those who do not worship on Sunday. So this includes those who worship on Saturday and those who use the Biblical method to calculate the Sabbath days.
My suggestion is that everyone looks at the Biblical Calendar, then takes a look at the calendar they are now using, and see if you are able to track Saturday as the Sabbath day, back to the beginning of time. If you cannot, ask why.
Then take a look at the Calendar system presented in the Bible and ask why God would provide us with this Calendar, now and when time started here on earth. He wanted to provide us with a way to work out his Sabbath days, no matter what happened in between.